Turf obalanserat mellan länder(?)

[Moru]

Since this discussion is mostly in Swedish the rest of the world is blissfully unaware of the great difference between doing 1M points in for example Germany and doing 1M points in a more popular turf city. They just don't see the problem.

For the people outside Sweden that have traveled to a bonanza in Sweden: Imagine this to be your every day turfing situation.

Yes, a start would be to remove the lower PPH but you still have the problem of getting 235 PPT. That is about 3 times the points we get per zone. The PPH you can mostly ignore because you won't keep a zone longer than an hour unless there is a big snow storm blocking the roads for three days. And the times that actually happened here I noticed that don't really help for more than eight hours anyway.

To be able to grow the game, we need more zones equaly spread over the world, we need to remove PPH completely and all zones give the same PPT. Zones that are harder to take can have a higher PPT but if there are enough zones on the way to this hard to take zone it's still worth the trip.

As the game is now, it is incentivising people to NOT invite their friends because more turfers in the same area means less points for that turfer.

[ojarnstr]

Still a small point you need to reconsider, the people you say get 235 PPT only get that once, for the rest of the round it is 92 PPT.

The problem is more the uneven number of zones in different areas... have not yet heard a good fix for this. Zone growth was needed to get players in Germany and the UK.

Removing PPH and making PPT the same for all zones sounds boring. I still think the most unequal factor in this game is time. How many hours a week can you put in? Can you turf during the night and day when "normal" people sleep or is at work?

[Moru]

It is boring from your point of view maybe. But what I find boring is that I'm last in the series. I risk getting bumped down to next league if I don't put in some work. I go out biking for 6-7 hours just to catch up to #8 so I just can manage to stay in the league. The next day I wake up, lost all my zones over night and the two below me spend one hour catching up to me and I'm back down on the bottom. They now get 300 points every hour for the rest of the month.

Now I have to first do about 100 zones just to catch up every day while they do nothing. If I want to stay in the league I also have to spend the rest of the month doing 3-4 hours of biking EVERY DAY. Just to keep my place while the others still do nothing. This is VERY unfair. I don't really see the argument of "boring".

[Moru]

Oh, and they only get it the first time yes. But they have 1000 of them to take. That gives 1000 PPH and 235 PPT. That's a lot of points. We share about 500 zones on 50 active turfers.

[ojarnstr]

Okay you are talking about the league... yes the league that is a different question. Leagues by country and region would solve that but we have too few players for that.

Still for these 1000s of zones they need to travel a longer way from home every day to get them. For PPH I have seen turfers in high activity areas getting over 2000 PPH in just a few hours by being the last one out. Yes they don't hold for many hours but if you can turf at night in a high activity area... for me that different regions have their own advantages and disadvantages makes turf more interesting.

Why are you so concerned with league game? Try instead to rank up in the different top lists on warded... having played turf for over 11 years now, they have given me an extra kick to go out turfing. They have shown me my weaknesses and were I need to improve.

[Mikey]

In London and Berlin it is easy to take bike on train and just bicycle different areas so they dont travel further from home, quite the opposite...most other cities do since they have alot fewer zones and no trains/subways. Something is freaking unbalanced when someone in UK with 43000 takes has 22 million points and another in sweden has 9 million spoints with 43000 takes, dont you agree...is that balanced? Is plain stupid...if they cant develop the game better than that they should give the game rules to someone that actually cares and have the knowledge to fix it. Why dont stop PPH after like 2-3 days...

People with 10000 takes are level 50+ when same levels in most other places demands 3000 takes

I care about league since R-medal is mostly taken by people not working where I am, electric bike and alot of time to stay out when the rest have families and work so Leauge the only competition to strive against.

[Moru]

ojarnstr, I understand that you are one of the "It's just a game" people. Why are you so intent on getting people to play the game your way? Why can't I have a fair chance playing the way I want without someone telling me I'm doing it wrong?

Most of us have family and jobs that limits when and how much we can turf. Germans or Londoners don't have less time to turf than anyone else, it's a priority thing. If I have one hour per night to turf and a German has one hour per day and we end up with very different points, it's a problem. That is not solved by telling the one with less points "You can compete in something else instead!". Yes, I can do archery instead. That is at least a fair sport. A point is a point. Everyone gets the same points for the same effort and accomplishment. Turf is clearly not a sport, it's a game. Message recieved.

[ojarnstr]

Yes for me Turf is just a game and the league game is just a small part of Turf.

My point is if the leagues don't work for you why don't you then concentrate on something else. The region list it is almost the same thing and there everyone has the same conditions?

There is much complaining on the forum less good solutions. For Turf to also grow outside of Sweden... zone growth is needed, who wants to play this game with only 5 zones in your town.

Yes it is not a sport, there is also the fact that not everyone Turfs the same way. There is no point for you to compare "effort", when you don't know their mode of transport.

Maybe stopping PPH after a few days without a revisit as Mikey suggested could be a solution.

[Moru]

There is no shortage of good suggestions on solutions if you look through the forum and chats.

The easiest to fix is:

• Remove 1 PPH completely.

The hard to fix:

• More zones. Actively add zones around new players so they stay.

#1 Would already make the game a lot more even to play for most players.
#2 Would allow the game to grow.

[ojarnstr]

With no PPH and same takepoints for all zones. You will move the unequality to the player base, how would you keep the number of zones and players equal in all areas?

This was probably the idea behind PPH and PPT, to have a tool for balance between areas of different levels of activity.